Eric Wing: Welcome to today’s NTRA Communications National Media Teleconference. Ahead of us this weekend, the final major weekend of Kentucky Derby prep races. And, again, they’ll be on television. The Road to the Kentucky Derby series will move to the CNBC network this Saturday. Airtime is 6 to 7 p.m. Eastern, and on that show will be the live runnings of both the Grade 1 $750,000 Toyota Blue Grass Stakes, and also the Grade 1 $1 million Arkansas Derby from Oaklawn Park. Again, that’s 6 to 7 p.m. on CNBC. There’ll also be live radio coverage of each of those two races on HRRN, the Horse Racing Radio Network. Their broadcast will air from 5 to 7 p.m. And in addition to the Blue Grass and the Arkansas Derby, they’ll also have coverage of the Commonwealth Stakes and the Jenny Wylie Stakes, a pair of important stakes on the Blue Grass Thunder (ph) Card at Keeneland. Well, we’ve got a nice group of guests with us today. A little later we’ll talk to trainer Danny Peitz. He will saddle the late running Najjaar in the Arkansas Derby. We had also attempted to have Bob Baffert on the call with us today. Unfortunately, Bob not quite feeling up to doing 20—or 30 minutes with us on the phone, and we certainly understand. But Danny Peitz nice enough to come on and talk about the Arkansas Derby with us. He, again, trains Najjaar. Our first guest, though, is in a position a lot of owners would love to be in. He, along with co-owner Harvey Diamond, owns one of the ones, so to speak, that everybody’s talking about on the ramp-up to the 138th Kentucky Derby. We’re happy to be joined now by Dr. Kendall Hansen, who, of course, is the original owner of Hansen. Dr. Hansen, it’s Eric Wing. Thanks for being with us today. Dr. Kendall Hansen: Oh, my pleasure. Eric Wing: Dr. Hansen, given what we’ve seen these last couple of weeks, both in Florida, New York, Southern California, do you think that gives further credence to the notion that the horse to beat in this year’s Kentucky Derby is Hansen? Dr. Kendall Hansen: Oh, I think—the way I see it there’s probably five or six that are kind of—that are very evenly matched. And I’m kind of glad of that. I’m glad there’s not a horse out there that’s been winning by—every race by 10 lengths, and breaking track records. But, yes, I think Mike Bagatelle going to have a heck of a job handicapping this. He might have five or six horses all five, six to one on the program. It’s very interesting. But I’m hoping this weekend that Hansen can separate himself and maybe solidify the number one spot in a lot of peoples’ minds. Eric Wing: And, Dr. Hansen, it’s been very enjoyable reading your blog on the courier-journal.com site, in which you’re very candid with your thoughts. And I believe one of them mentioned you were—you’re looking forward to a rematch with Union Rags to kind of settle that score, even though Hansen’s ahead one to nothing in terms of wins and losses, but a lot of people thought that Union Rags might’ve had an excuse that day. We were all disappointed to see him kind of take a small step back perhaps in the Florida Derby. Dr. Kendall Hansen: Yes, I think it’s just so interesting the final furlong in the Kentucky Derby everybody going the new distance. And I can just say that Hansen just doesn’t breathe hard after any of his workouts, and even after the Gotham, Ramon had trouble pulling him up; had to get the outriders to help. And I think on Breeders’ Cup day he went out in forty seven and one I believe, and it was only his third race, so he probably did get a little tired at the end. But I think he’s learned to relax even more, and I think that we very well can be the stronger horse in the final furlong or two, and, yes, I’d like to see us drawing away from union Rags coming down the stretch. Eric Wing: And last question before I throw it to the media, Dr. Hansen. I know you’re a very long-standing and sharp Turfway Park handicapper, and as such I’m sure you know full well that the Turfway Polytrack and the Keeneland Polytrack don’t always play the same. Are you confident that Hansen will handle the Keeneland Poly as well as the Turfway surface? Dr. Kendall Hansen: Oh, not a lot of confidence, but it’s exciting when your horse has won his two poly track races by 12 and 13 lengths. You know, I hope he can have a lot of fun on it Saturday, you know, without throwing out his biggest race. But I’m really shocked to see how tough the Blue Grass is coming up. There’s some great competition in there, and he’s going to have to run well—he—just to win the race. And, of course, we don’t have to win the race, but it sure would be nice to see him win by daylight, and then have plenty left at the end. Brian Zipse: Thank you for being with us today. Dr. Kendall Hansen: Yes, I love your website. Brian Zipse: Just a quick question about the early pace you think he’s going to set both in the Blue Grass and the Derby. Do you think he will be on the lead in the Blue Grass, and is that what you guys are hoping for, or would you rather see him lay behind a few horses? Dr. Kendall Hansen: Well, we draw post positions tomorrow, and then I’ll spend my several hours like I usually do handicapping the race. So I have to see who we’re running against. But I think Ramon is going to want to keep working with Hansen and teaching him the option of tucking in behind horses. And we hope some horses go out there with some speed so that we can do that, because the thing I want to see going into the Kentucky Derby is Ramon have the option of using his internal clock, you know, as he goes around the first turn, and decide is it a quick pace or is it a slow pace. And if it’s a slow pace, we’ll just go on with it and wire the field, and if he thinks they’re going too quickly, then he’ll pull back and tuck in and just wait until the quarter pull or three eighth’s pull. So just to have the option. And I think the race has to unfold for itself. And Ramon’s been good. He’s the best in the world, and we’ll just have to rely on him and his expertise. It’s kind of silly sometimes to talk about this before the race, because you really don’t know what’s going to happen when they open the gate. Brian Zipse: Good answer. Okay, the—you answered my next question, which was going to be about the Kentucky Derby. Is it part of his training right now where you guys are trying to relax him early? Dr. Kendall Hansen: Yes. I think even on YouTube you can see his last workout from Saturday where he went five furlongs, but the last quarter of a mile, Mike put one of his stakes horses dropped in front of him so he could finish up strong, but follow the horse. And I think he’s probably had five or six, maybe seven workouts now in company behind the company relaxing for awhile before he would go ahead and pass them. And he seems to be just fine with that. You know, the last thing you want is to be going too quick with a ranked horse in the Kentucky Derby. Brian Zipse: Great. Well, I wish you the best of luck Saturday and beyond. Dr. Kendall Hansen: Thanks. But then again, I wouldn’t mind if just does a Spend a Buck and just wires the field and sets a record for fractions either if he’s having a good day. Brian Zipse: That wouldn’t be bad either. Thank you. Danny Brewer: Hey, this horse in appearance, is he as striking as any that you’ve seen, and definitely looking like one of the best looking horses in the Derby field this year. What’s your thoughts on that? Dr. Kendall Hansen: He was a shock when he was born with his brother being a bay. It was just shocking just to see him. I hadn’t planned on having a light grey horse. And he’s getting whiter; there’s very little of his hair that’s grey. And I notice his face more. Just he’s very intelligent and has so many different expressions on his face, and his face just seems to be getting cuter. And everybody can see it now with the blinkers off, and I like that little white stripe down between his nostrils, and he’s just got a heck of an engine on him. You know, he’s just a kind package, and nobody’s been able to pick out a flaw yet on his confirmation. Everybody seems to like exactly the length of the bones, the muscles, the—even one of my old trainers said he’s got a few muscles where he’s never seen muscles before. So he’s not the biggest horse in the field, a little bit younger than some of them, but he’s just put together perfectly like Little (inaudible). Danny Brewer: Now, did you look at what Street Sense did as far as juvenile champ to Derby champ? Did that play any part in you guys running at Keeneland, or was that just something that you wanted to do because you wanted to do it? Dr. Kendall Hansen: No, the—a lot of reasons. We just—Mike had told me that the flight from Florida, New York and the Gotham it set him back a few days, and we’d never seen a little tired before, so we didn’t know if it was the race or the travelling. And it’s so many details to arrange a flight and move your whole crew out of state, that we thought it—and we were right, it—things are kind of busy and it’s very relaxing just to stay home and just to van him up. I think we’re going to go up the day before so he’ll sleep at Keeneland, and then go to the track the day of the Blue Grass and just be able to relax there. But I get to have a lot of my family and friends there, so we’ll have probably somewhere between 50 and 100 people there, and if we were in New York for the Wood, we probably only would’ve had about 10 people. Danny Brewer: So as a physician, how are you treating your case of Derby fever? Dr. Kendall Hansen: It’s bad, but I’ve actually told my nurses to keep an eye on me and make sure I’m focused. I’ve never had a freaking tremor in my life, and a couple days ago there was a time where I had a little essential tremor here, and the only thing I could figure it was the 5th of April, just exactly 30 days. And I’m like, oh my God, I’ve got adrenaline kicking in 30 days ahead of time. How am I going to handle this for 30 more days? And really, I’ve got a—I’m getting a little bit more jacked up every day, and—but it’s really fun. It’s a really good feeling. Debbie Arrington: Hi, Dr. Hansen. Thank you very much for coming on today. And I’m going to follow-up a little bit on the Derby fever here. Hansen the boy band has quite a following. How does Hansen the horse have? Dr. Kendall Hansen: Oh, he’s just—he gets fan mail from as far away as Tokyo, and there’s classrooms around the country that send him artwork, and so forth. And, you know, that’s kind of how I got on the idea about maybe coloring his tail at some point. Yes, he’s gorgeous and perfect the way he is, but he’s like and open pallet, too, you know? He’s white there. It just seems like he’s won some battles, you know, especially the Gotham. And, you know, American Indian horses used to paint their horse when they went into battle if they were heroic previously, and I think Hansen’s earned some privilege of wearing something. But we might think about that maybe sometime in the near future. Debbie Arrington: And how has Hansen changed your life? Dr. Kendall Hansen: It’s—I just—financially I’d say I was within five, 10 years of retiring, and, of course, now I’m in a position where I could probably stop working now. But I love what I do and I’ll probably at least work down the road three or four days a week. So—but as far—it’s fun to be known in horse racing. I mean I got to talk to Todd Pletcher, and I think I’ve talked to him at the Gotham. And I only had one question for him. I asked him how Gemologist was, because I knew that horse was going to be an interesting horse. And nobody was talking about Gemologist at the time, but I saw that horse break his maiden on Kentucky Cup Day, and I knew that horse could be an issue for me down the road. But people look at me and wave me, and I look behind me thinking they’re looking at somebody else and it’s me. So people are recognizing me, and it’s a little bit of a kick. Jennie Rees: Yes, Dr, from one of your blog postings you were laying out, you know, why the Blue Grass as opposed to the Wood, and you kind of mentioned—I didn’t know if you were joking or not about, you know, the (inaudible) stewards wouldn’t either—was it the Blue tail or they wouldn’t let you sell the Hansen t-shirts, which your share goes to charity. And I’m just wondering are you going to try to do anything like that? Are you going to try to make another run at the Kentucky stewards for this race as far as the blue tail? Dr. Kendall Hansen: Hi, Jeannie. Nice to talk to you again. Well, (inaudible) in the paddock at the Blue Grass we got a little bit of a surprise, you know. And if we can’t do the horse’s tail, maybe—I mean somebody suggested maybe I should wear a blue tail. I’m not that crazy, but we’ll do something a little bit eye-opening at the Blue Grass this year, so stay tuned. Jennie Rees: Okay. So wait and see? What about the t-shirts? Are you going to be able to sell the t-shirts? Dr. Kendall Hansen: Yes, Keeneland—since we’re donating all the proceeds to the Thoroughbred After Care and New Vocations, they’re letting us sell the Hansen t-shirts Friday and Saturday this week. Jennie Rees: And you also mentioned that at the Gotham your taxi driver ended up being spending the day with you and everything. Do you think you have any taxi drivers that—are people volunteering to be taxi drivers as far as Keeneland? Do you think you’ll have any sort of unexpected guests? Dr. Kendall Hansen: Well, I kind of make friends easily, and when people like horses it’s hard not to talk to them. And, you know, you have something in horse—something in common with horses I think it brings a lot of people together. It’s actually been bringing my family together. We’re having family reunions for every race. But, yes, the taxi driver was a nice guy and he loved horses, so I said, come on, hang out with us. I said we didn’t have too many people out in New York that day. Jennie Rees: And final question. How important was it to you to see the Gotham to see that he would settle behind other horses and be as effective as he was on the lead? Dr. Kendall Hansen: Everything. It meant everything. It—just going around the turn and handling how wide he was and dealing with that, you know, that he handled adversity well. And the connection between him and Ramon, I mean you have to have a special connection between a horse and a jockey and work as a team, and for them to work together, especially after he ran off in the Holy Bull after he’d stumbled and got scared and just—and Ramon couldn’t control him, it was extremely important, because we all know a mile and a quarter is a very difficult race. Jennie Rees: Okay good deal, and keep those posts coming on the blog. Don Tracy: Good afternoon, Dr. Hansen. You keep referencing Ramon. Ramon was saying I guess it was, you know, before the—before his last race aboard Alpha that he was going to make some decision relative to the two horses. After the Blue Grass, you know, we’ll see how they—how both horses run in their respective races. But it’s sounding as if you’re depending on a commitment that you might have already? Is that true? Dr. Kendall Hansen: Well, it’s—I think we both understand the game. You know, I don’t get upset with anybody for anything. And I read the newspaper, too, because I had read that he was going to wait until after the Blue Grass to make his definite decision. But Kiaran McLaughlin knows that, you know, we’re at the top, and, you know, I think there’d have to be some type of major snafu for him not to ride Hansen. But Alpha—I mean Alpha ran a huge race, you know, and probably some people think should’ve beat (inaudible) just having to check so hard. But since Alpha’s been on the (inaudible) a new horse, you know, and I can’t say I’m looking forward to running against Alpha. I think he’s definitely one of the top six contenders for the Derby, and I think Ramon’s got to keep that option open. But Hansen’s going to run so good Saturday, it’ll be a no-brainer. Jon White: Dr. Hansen, as the breeder of Hansen, I was just curious as to what the dam has produced since Hansen? Dr. Kendall Hansen: Good question. They’ve got a younger brother, Corinthian, so it’s about—it’s three quarters the same breeding, because that Corinthian’s out of (inaudible). And I just got video of the Corinthian two year old galloping on a stretch in company for the first time, and he looks gorgeous. So, you know, their older brother’s an allowance horse, hopefully—we hope to get black type at some point. But the younger brother’s looking promising as well, and I’ve got the mother scheduled to breed back—within a month or two back to (inaudible), so we’ll keep this line going. Jon White: Does the two year old have a name? Dr. Kendall Hansen: No, I decided it worked so good naming Hansen in the last couple days that maybe I’ll wait until the last minute again. Jay Privman: Hi, Dr. Hansen. I was wondering regarding your horse, a lot of the discussion related to the Derby in the last couple weeks focused I think naturally on the horses that ran in the Wood Memorial or the Santa Anita Derby or the Florida Derby. And I’m just wondering if you think your horse has gotten a little bit overlooked in the discussion; if that’s the function of him just not being appreciated or just sort of the flavor of the month and he’ll get his due this week? Dr. Kendall Hansen: No. Well, first let’s just say, hi Jay. You’ll always have a special spot with me because you stood next to me there in—at the microphone there at the Breeders’ Cup win. So, hi, how are you doing, and nice to talk to you here. But, no, I’m understanding the game a lot, and I’ve learned a lot of this actually from Steve Haskin with his top 12. And every weekend, you know, there’s other races, and I think the horses that are featured that weekend should be talked about and their potential. And, you know, as we all know, the favorites don’t win the Kentucky Derby very often, but I think that Hansen will get a lot of the publicity after this weekend, and I have to say that he got a lot of exposure after the Gotham with the cover on BloodHorse and everything. So I think he’s getting treated really fairly, and I’ve enjoyed it. Jay Privman: And then just how significant is it for you looking down the line that you did win the biggest race for the division last fall at the track where the Derby’s going to be run? Dr. Kendall Hansen: Oh it’s everything. It’s really to—I’ve always said that—and I was trying to explain to some people before the championship race, the Breeders’ Cup, that in some ways it’s a little more important than the Kentucky Derby in that you get—you’re the favorite going in and discussed in almost every sentence about the Kentucky Derby over the next six months. So Hansen’s been in the discussion all winter, and it’s been a wonderful pleasure to be associated with a horse that’s figuring in it. And like I said, there’s some long shots that are going to get into the Derby, and perhaps one of them could win, but they’re not getting talked about now, and it’s great that Hansen’s getting the attention from winning that championship. John Fetterdy: Hey, I’ve got a quick question for you. I’m wondering what it is you saw in Stormy Sunday that made you think that’s a horse that I want to—that I think a good horse can come out of. What did you see? Dr. Kendall Hansen: $124,000 won at Churchill when I bet on her the first time we ran her. The (inaudible) were 5,000 and ran her, and I ordered a two for $30,000, and we got—she ran in it 1: 10 flat, and I got the money and I’m like I love this horse. But she’s always—she looks like a stakes horse, and she would’ve been black typed if she would’ve been able to race longer. But, yes, there’s certain horses that you have as an owner that, you know, have a special place in your heart, and you just want to keep them. John Fetterdy: Did that make the decision to spend money on Tapit easier for you? Dr. Kendall Hansen: Well, at the time, Tapit, the first year I think $7,500 was the fee, and I got in at the end of the season for 6,000 on his older brother. And then we were so happy with the first one, you know, we paid $12,500 the next year, and I’m just happy Gainesway allowed my mare that wasn’t that accomplished to get the season. But, yes, I’m excited about future brothers or sisters of Hansen. Eric Wing: Dr. Hansen, before we say goodbye, you were referencing the Gotham Stakes earlier. And, of course, Hansen had the very poor post position, got, not shockingly, pushed wide, and that was his first race without the blinkers. While the Breeders’ Cup Juvenile was obviously the most exciting race of his career from your standpoint, in some respects was the Gotham maybe even the most impressive? Dr. Kendall Hansen: No, I’d have to stay with the Breeders’ Cup, just the way he dug in against Union Rags. But as far as intelligence and learning, you know, as far as the learning curve, definitely the Gotham, but the big race was against Union Rags for sure. Eric Wing: And maybe there’ll be a race on May 5th that trumps that one even in terms of excitement. Dr. Hansen, we thank you very much for taking the time to be with us today, and we wish you and your partners and Hansen himself the best of luck in the Toyota Blue Grass. Dr. Kendall Hansen: Hey, thanks so much. I hope we put on a good show. Eric Wing: I’m sure you will. Dr. Kendall Hansen: Thanks. Eric Wing: Thank you, Dr. Hansen. That’s Dr. Kendall Hansen of Team Hansen. He owns the colt along with Harvey Diamond of Sky Chai Racing. And Dr. Hansen’s namesake, the horse named after his family, will most likely be the favorite in Saturday’s Toyota Blue Grass at Keeneland. That, along with the Arkansas Derby, part of the Road to the Kentucky Derby telecast on CNBC, 6 p.m. Eastern for that. And our next guest has a very interesting horse going in the Arkansas Derby. It’s trainer Danny Peitz who will saddle Najjaar. Danny, it’s Eric Wing in New York. Thanks so much for being with us today. Danny Peitz: Thanks, Eric, for having me. Eric Wing: Danny, like his sire, Jazil, Najjaar customarily spots his opponents a lot of ground early in the race and then makes that one big run. Is there anything at all you and Calvin Borel can do from a strategic standpoint other than just hope that there’s a fast pace in front of you? Danny Peitz: I think in the Rebel we were a little further back than we probably want to be, and I don’t think he has to be that far back. He kind of lunged forward right before they swung the latch in the gate, and then as they sprung he was kind of going backwards. So he kind of fell out of the gate in the Rebel, and he spotted them two or three lengths, and I think Calvin just thought that they were kind of going a little faster than they were upfront, and he let him drop out further than he really wanted to be, and just, I think, was thinking they were going faster than they were upfront. And I don’t really expect us to be that—quite that far back in the Arkansas Derby. Eric Wing: And, Danny, one thing that has to figure in your favor, not just on Saturday but thereafter, is these longer distances. On the other hand, you’ve got the graded earnings issue to deal with as far as Kentucky is concerned. Do you have a plan B in mind for Najjaar just in case he doesn’t make it all the way up the ladder earnings-wise to the Derby cutoff? Danny Peitz: I would think, you know, the Belmont would probably be our go-to if we don’t make it to the Kentucky Derby. Eric Wing: Would… Danny Peitz: And how we’re going to get there, I’m not sure whether we would look at the Peter Pan, or possibly even look at the (inaudible). I don’t know. I guess we’ll have to see how he runs Saturday, and then we’ll have a lot better idea of where we are. But I had—you know—I was all along kind of thinking second money, and the Arkansas Derby might be enough to get us to the Kentucky Derby, but at this point it doesn’t really look like $200,000 is going to be enough to get us there, so we’re almost in a win (inaudible) kind of situation. Eric Wing: Yes, win or else situation. Danny Peitz: Win or you’re out situation I guess. Yes, that’s right. Danny Brewer: Just having Calvin Borel (inaudible), how big of a benefit is that for you? Danny Peitz: Well, I mean he’s just been in this situation so many times, you know, and this—I think more for the next race, if we can get through the Arkansas Derby I would hope that he would still stay with us and go on to the Kentucky Derby. But he’ll have a decision to make on whether, you know, it would be us or Take Charge Indy, because he does have a backup plan. Danny Brewer: Would the Derby Trial be anything that you would think about, or is the distance in that not attractive for this horse? Danny Peitz: It’s not attractive at all. You know, I’ve considered this horse to be a mile and a quarter kind of horse or further all along, and you know, even as the Rebel—we came up to the Rebel, I kept thinking this race is really going to be too short for us. I believe I’m kind of in the position with my horse that a mile and an eighth and further is going to be a positive, and I’m looking forward to that, where I think a lot of people are not sure whether—you know—they’re kind of getting in the territory where they’re not sure what they have the further they go. Jason Frakes: Yes. Hi, Danny. Just looking at this race, you know, especially with Baffert’s, you know, probably two in there, I mean do you feel like with that kind of speed that this does set up well for a horse like yours? Danny Peitz: I hope there’s some other speed in there, but (inaudible) two, because—and I’m afraid if they’re the two that are out there and they might—they may try to back it up a little bit and really not go as fast as I’d like him to go. But I don’t think I have to have an extremely fast pace, I just think I have to have an honest pace. I thought the Rebel was somewhat honest, and I just hope if we get the same kind of setup as we did in the Rebel, I think between the other distance and just the fact that I don’t think he’s going to be quite as far back, I think we’ll be rolling at the end. Eric Wing: Danny, in some ways this year—or early year you’re having with Najjaar seem like déjà vu with the Steppenwolfer year? Danny Peitz: Yes, quite a bit like that. I mean I got to the Arkansas Derby with Steppenwolfer with about $50,000 in graded earnings I think, and was kind of thinking the same thing. But I thought with him I thought I needed to be second—at least second to be guaranteed a spot in the starting field for the Derby, and we were second (inaudible). And I think that maybe the stakes might be a little higher in this spot with this colt, so we may need to win it (inaudible) get in. But similar kind of runner style. Najjaar might be a little more of a deeper closer than Steppenwolfer. I think both horses need to have some pace in front of them. The mental part of both horses is very similar. They’re very professional about everything. You couldn’t—you know—I’m not really worried about them getting upset in the pre-race stuff either here or Kentucky, if we’re lucky enough to get that far. (Inaudible) this won’t be a factor either Saturday or in the Derby—in the Kentucky Derby. Eric Wing: So he’s just going to drop straight back and kind of float over (cross talking). Danny Peitz: He’s going to drop back. He’ll do all his running, and it’ll be the last three eighths of a mile. Eric Wing: Right. All right, well, Danny, I know there’s always some worry whenever you have a closing horse on any surface; you need all sorts of things to go right in front of you. But you know that you do have a horse that wants every inch of the distance and then some. We thank you for you taking the time today, and wish you the best of luck on Saturday with Najjaar in the Arkansas Derby. Eric Wing: That’s trainer Danny Peitz. He had Steppenwolfer back in ’06, who liked to close from way back, and Danny just said Najjaar likes to close from either—even farther back, if that’s possible, and a deeper closer. And he’ll try his luck again in the Arkansas Derby. As Danny just pointed out, great chance that he’ll be the one running fastest in that last furlong, and we’ll see if he can get there against the likes of Secret Circle, who’s taken a pair of the three year old events at Oaklawn already this year in the Southwest and the—one division of the Southwest anyway, and the Rebel. Probably a field of 11 shaping up we understand in the Arkansas Derby, so should be close to a full gate, and as you would expect with a million dollars on the line. Okay, again, the telecast of Saturday’s races, both the Arkansas Derby and the $750,000 Toyota Blue Grass Stakes, both Grade 1 events, 6 to 7 p.m. Eastern on CNBC; the final installment of the Road to the Kentucky Derby series. – See more at: http://ntra.kinsta.cloud/en/news-media/teleconferences/2012/09/19/road-to-the-triple-crown-teleconference-41012/#sthash.UxW8jODq.dpuf
